Why can’t kids write?

In no way is this a complaint about the majority of my students. For the most part, all of my students are writing papers on their research topics, but in each class there are about three kids who fall into three categories of writing.

First, there are the Hungry.

  • The hungry student shows me his/her research.
  • “Look at all this research I did! I found 15 pages of stuff online!”
  • Sweet! Now how are you going to put that into a paper?
  • “I don’t knoooow?!?”
  • And there are ways to approach this:
    • a little more one-on-one time with these hungry students would allow me to talk with them about how to put the paper together. I could give them guidelines about how to introduce the topic, how to lead up to the most interesting part of the paper, and how to close off the paper. Sadly, though, in a room of 30 kids, all of whom are using computers, it’s difficult to spend an entire hour discussing this.
    • So I tell them simply: Turn in your notes as your rough draft. I’ll read through them to see what you have, and I’ll gve it back with a boatload of questions to help you shape your paper.
  • Regardless, these hungry students don’t turn in anything at all. They don’t even turn in their notes. They just collect more and more information until it’s falling out of their notebooks and piles up underneath the desks in my classroom.
  • They’re hungry to learn, but they’re afraid to show what they’ve learned.

And the hungry student isn’t that far away from the majority of my students. The only problem hungry student reall has is the fact that they don’t come to me when they need help, and often i don’t recognize this need until it’s getting too late.

Next we have the Willful.

  • The willful student tells me that “Rules are made to be broken” when it comes to MLA standards.
  • No, really.
  • No, I mean it. They refuse to comply with any of the guidelines I set out for them, walked them through, demonstrated for them (using a computer and a projector), and for which I gave them a handout with explicit instruction and examples.
  • The willful students have been turning in papers with one paragraph of writing alongside a handful of pictures they found on the web.
  • They turn in printed-out powerpoint slides.
  • They do nothing more.

This is upsetting, as this research paper should be relatively simple when it comes to writing. the kids have had practice in many forms of writing, and we’ve talked in class several times about these papers and how they should be structured. We’ve talked about how to put information into a storyline, and they have a plethora of handouts showing them the various aspects of this assignment.

We’ve gone over all of this several times in the past month or so.

I shouldn’t really complain about the hungry or willful, because they’re nothing like the third group of students: The (and I need to borrow a very teacherly word here) Defiant.

  • The defiant student has chosen to do nothing at all.
  • Sometimes.
    • (and here we need to delineate two types of defiance….types A and B)
    • Type A defiance is characterized by those students who do not remember their research topics. They do not seek out information on their own. They do not read through websites when I pull up the website for them. They do not seek out extra information when I talk with them about the topic they’ve chosen. They do nothing when I try to give them a different, more exciting topic. They just sit in class or in the computer lab and refuse to do anything but talk.
    • Tybe B defiance comes from the students who have obviously done some research and reading outside the classroom. During the class time I see them talking and throwing things around. I see them chatting with other students. I see them getting up and leaving the room. But I never see them doing any work. The curious thing, though is when I call them on this behavior — if I ask them about their topic and they can actually carry on a lengthy conversation about it. They can discuss various aspects about the topic and they can relate it to other aspects they’re not even researching. The problem comes when they don’t do anything about it.

Maybe this is why I find this last group so disturbing. Neither A nor B does anything, in class, about the work. Outside of school they’re fine with doing some sort of work, either out of dedication or boredom, but in class they do nothing. They don’t read, they don’t research, they don’t ask questions, they don’t even “pretend to work” when I stand next to them or call them on their behavior, or stand with them out in the hallway talking about WHY I want them to do this paper (and I’d just like to say that these conversations never turn into “Because you have to” or “Because I said so” or “Because you’ll fail” statements. I try to speak with them about the topic and relate it to their regular lives. I try to bring some perspective, and when the conversations are done, we’ve talked through a paper and I say to them: See? THAT’s the paper I want you to write! I want you to tell me exactly what we just talked about!), they do nothing.

They just won’t do anything. Or, at least, won’t do anything that I’ll see.

The Hungry need a wall broken down somewhere. The need one more little push.

The Willful need to be broken of the idea that I’m going to let their behavior slide. I’m not their other teachers, who, in the face of such disregard for the assignment, pushed them on through.

The Defiant I fear will stay just so.

What to do?

And again, this is maybe a total of about 15 students out of 150. It’s a small group. But if their behavior toward this assignment bothers me this much and I’m able to work with the other 135, I’ve the time to work toward finding an answer.

Any suggestions?

9 Responses to “Why can’t kids write?”

  1. I am a student, and I have no experience in teaching, and no education it teachings, but this is something that I’ve see done and was grateful for in the past: handouts At reading level lower then grade level. It made the content easer to understand because I did not have to struggle with the the words that were used and how they went together.

  2. Thanks, Eip!

    Handouts should be available and useful. We teachers shouldn’t make handouts for every single little assignment, and this is why I was upset my students didn’t keep the ones (or didn’t read, or didn’t take notes on) the ones I gave them.

    Handouts are few and far between in my classes. They should seem somewhat important.

    I tried to make them understandable, and I tried to make them so they made sense outside the classroom.

  3. That is wonderful that you do that.

  4. Again, thanks.

    How are things in your own classes?

  5. I have had those very kids, but I’m having more success lately with the research. I’m guessing your kids are under 10th grade, as mine do not SAY the rules are made to be broken. I have given them tools like citationmachine.net, and since they feel like they can “cheat,” they’ll generally go along with it.

    Also, if I set more due dates for the end of the period, I get better results. For instance, if I want them to have 5 sources, they must turn in 2 to me by the end of the first session (60-90 minutes for the first project, but now I require it in 45, since it’s the second time around).

    I think you do the right thing for the Hungry, but breaking it down might help. I bet by the time they get to me, they’ll have learned something (though I do have one like that in Spanish–I generally get him to come to tutoring). As for the Wilfull, they’ll change their tune or get booted by the system, if they system’s doing it’s job.

    I think it’s miraculous that it’s only 15 out of 150. It may not feel like success, but really, those are impressive results.

  6. Thanks.

    I did have a due date for all students: it was two weeks ago…just before the end of Spring Break. I reminded them of the due date after spring break (yesterday) and I reminded them about it again today.

    A good number of the kids (and yeah, I’m complaining about 15 out of 150) have turned in rough drafts in the past two days, but that doesn’t meet the process.

    I asked them for three drafts in four days. The rough draft allows me to ask questions and to direct. The revised draft allows me to give more specific driection (especially toward MLA format). the final draft I won’t see until Friday, and I’m thinking any drafts turned in after Friday should be considered zeroes.

    (Much as I’d hate to give no credit to a student who turned in actual work, the late factor is driving me nuts.)

    15 out of 150 is a pretty miraculous result, I agree. What’s come in has made me smile. The kids are doing some pretty high-level work for 8th graders, and I appreciate what they’ve given me.

    The real hope is that they’ll carry what they’ve learned about research, writing, and MLA standards on to the next grade.

  7. i had a freeloader in my house that was like that. He couldn’t write a paper to save his life (writing style was incoherent and rife with grammatical errors!) - yet he thought he was a college student.

    He spent my money on college courses - and failed them. Never did any homework until I practically rode his heels and physically watched him do it…

    He was a Type A defiant.

    I finally gave up and kicked him out.

  8. Awww….

    I don’t know what to say. I’m not a parent. Though I’d like to think I understand what it’s like to be a parent, there are certain things I just do not know right now.

    But there is defiance in all of us. I wonder…how do we reach true, complete defiance?

  9. [...] As time has passed, though, I’ve had a slew of students enter the classroom who seem to be among the Defiant Students I discussed here. These 10 new students are intelligent, but just refuse to do anything in class. I know this is a classroom management issue, but I’ve talked to parents, I’ve talked to counselors, I’ve met with these students alone and with an administrator. I’ve worked out plans with other teachers, and I’ve asked other teachers for strategies to help these students succeed in class. No matter what I do, though, these kids walk into class and do absolutely nothing all hour long. For example: Last week I had the students working on creating teaching posters. Each group was given a grammar topic to define, describe, to show, and to work to demystify. One group of students (comprised of two students from the original class and two new students) which taught a lesson on idiom today just stood in front of the class and talked to each other; they wouldn’t show their poster; they wouldn’t give the definition; they wouldn’t teach. They wouldn’t answer any of the questions I asked them and they wouldn’t answer any of the questions the class asked them. As a result, the rest of the class just started talking and it was difficult to bring the class together. [...]

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