Kids and Socrates
This was a great day.
So, two days after my free classroom set of Ayn Rand’s Anthem showed up in the mail, I’ve ventured into the text, and tried to bridge the major themes of the novel to the ideas of community and individuality from the poems we recently analyzed. When the kids came into the classroom they saw that I’d scrawled the phrase SOCRATIC CIRCLE on the board.
“What’s that supposed to mean?” they asked as the class started.
I’m glad you asked, I said, and jumped straight into the big ideas we’ll cover in the coming weeks and months.
We just finished analyzing two poems. We read and wrote about community and values with Gabriela Mistral’s “Fear,” and we discussed the need for individuality and how it creates personal strength with Julio Noboa’s “Identity.”
Coming up, we’ll read this novel called Anthem where a group of people live within a strong community with a strong sense of order, but the people of the community have no identities — they’re all the same.
I want to discuss today your idea of community, and what type of society we live in, and how those things shape our values.
“Why?”
Because once we finish this novel, we’ll start reading the play, “The Diary of Anne Frank,” and the people in that story lived in a specific type of community. And it was a specific type of community that brought those people to that place.
I know your World History teacher has you researching another community — the one in Darfur…
“Oh, man! That stuff is messed up!”
Yes it is. Is that community, the one in Darfur, the type of community you’d like to live in?
“No way!”
Is that one you’d like to be in charge of?
“No way!”
Is it a type of community that needs to change?
“Hell yeah!”
Then let’s start talking about our place in society. Let’s start talking about the values of a society, and how those values change. Let’s talk about what makes for a good society, and what makes for a bad one. You’ll need just one sheet of paper today.
This lesson plan grew from the idea in the teaching guide supplied by the Ayn Rand Institute. The final pages of the guide suggest teaching relevant philosophical concepts and for using the Socratic method to elicit student ideas about the key philosophies found in the book. One page outlines these philosophies and correlates those ideas to quotes taken directly from the text of Anthem. Today we focused on Altruism and Conformity, and what the kids brought up in class was unbelievable.
I ran them through the idea of a Socratic Circle, how it operates, and what we should get out of it. We talked about taking turns in speaking, and sharing ideas. We talked about not putting people down and not calling people stupid, but to take those ideas we find faulty and work them into something more appealing.
A few of the kids were nodding off. A few kids started writing notes. A few kids whispered to each other as I ran them through the first few slides of the powerpoint I created specifically for today’s discussion. But they didn’t stay quiet long.
Slide One
The students didn’t have much to say about this. A few did connect the fact that Easter Philosophies are different.
Slide Two
The students asked what “welfare of their souls” meant, and we discussed Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs, and that the greatest personal welfare comes from meeting every esteem level — that thinkers are likely meeting that highest, “self-actualization” level.
Slide Three
Here the students complained about how much they hate it when teachers answer questions qith questions.For example: “How am I supposed to write this paper?”
I don’t know. How do you think you should write it?
Slide Four
All Iexplained here was that I wanted them to be polite and patient during the discussion. That when one person speaks, everyone else should listen. If you want to speak next, wait your turn. But since this was our first venture into the seminar, I had the students raise their hands, and I led the conversation from one student to another.
Slide Five
No? All right then. Here’s the first text we’ll discuss….
Slide Six
This is taken from page 18 of Anthem.The students worked their way through this one and finally came up with a better, easier way to say it: “If you don’t serve a purpose, you’re not needed.” Most agreed with this idea, and they backed it up by saying that if you’re not willing to do things for others, then you should be around them; people don’t want to hang with people who are worthless.
Slide Seven
We moved directly to the whole idea behind the quote from the text — Altruism. The students had a field day with this one, talking about how it’s simply impossible to be completely altruistic. That no one does EVERYTHING for others. Every person has some personal gratification in mind, thus making altruism a problematic concept — even when you do things for benefit others, you’re probably doing it for the happiness you achieve by doing it.We discussed two forms of our city wherein the people either went their own ways, or pulled inward to help others within the city. Neither seemd very feasible to the students and they answered the following question…
Slide Eight
…by saying: “Our society is a mix of both evil and good. We help each other, but we’re also very worried about our own desires.”
Slide Nine
the kids hated this idea. Right off the bat, they argued: “This is just wrong.” “It’s wrong” “It’s wrong to think that it’s bad to be different.” “If we’re not different, then we aren’t ourselves.” “If people weren’t differen’t, life would be boring.” “If we weren’t different, we wouldn’t really do anything. We’d just do what everyone else did.”They did talk about the difference between similarity in beliefs and ideals, but the overall consensus was that difference is what makes us special.
Slide Ten
Here they thought a little deeper, explaining that “We can alll work toward the same goal without being the same people.”
Slide Eleven
And here they connected conformity and altruism:
“You can be completely altruistic, but that makes you completely conformist.”“But if you’re all conformist, you’re worried about yourself, which makes you selfish, and that’s the root of all evil.”
“But a society can’t be completely evil, can it?”
“And if it is, then the person who says they’re all evil is an outsider.”
“And the outsider, who does nothing for the group, becomes a burden, and the burden needs to be taken off the earth.”
The kids ultimately decided that both ideas suck because they don’t allow for any grey area — they want a society where choice is allowed, where differences are respected, where people are allowed to speak their own mind and believe what they want to believe, and who are respected for being individuals while also being part of alarger group.
They decided that our society is a mixture of altruism and conformity and the ideals of both are interchangable and changing. Ebb and Flow.
Today was a phenominal day in the classroom, and this discussion did something for my classroom that hasn’t happened even once this year — it had every kid raising his/her hand. Even the quiet ones. Even the ones that always get made fun of for talking in class. Even the kids who hate each other spoke to each other in a kind way. The “smart kids” asked questions from the “dumb kids.” The “popular kids” agreed with “the loners.” The group worked together a coherent discussion that was neither offensive nor class-based, and they did it under the Socratic method.
Christian said that Anthem would bring the students’ ideas and voices roaring through the classroom, but I didn’t expect it would do so much before we even opened the book.
Slide Twelve
Imagine, then, the reponse from the students when I posed the following question — their grade for the day (totally stolen from graycie in the comments section of this post):
Slide Thirteen
Here’s one response:
I believe what my parents believe because they raised me with their beliefs. But when they did that they took away part of who I am, because, how can I be me when I think the same things as other people only cause they told me to think them?
High fives all around.
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Thanks for this post! I also got my free class set of Anthem, and of The Fountainhead this week. I will totally use this when I read Anthem with my freshmen.
Hope it works for you. Let me know what you did different, or how you work the text into your class.
I’ve only read the text once, and am a little unsure of how to put this all together.
But the free books are great, aren’t they?
I love using Socratic Circles! The kids love it too. They are unsure of themselves at first, but then they start talking freely and they say the best stuff!
I just ordered a set of Anthem - do you think it would work with 7th graders?
I think Anthem could easily work with 7th graders. It might take a little legwork on your end, but they’re sure to enjoy a story about people who break apart the system of rules that surrounds them.
Any younger might be a stretch, but you never know.
Well - we’re halfway through the year so they are closer to 8th grade now LOL
Give it a go!
You used my question! Makes me feel smart and thoughtful - and just now I need a sot fo that. Thank you —
I wish I could be a student in your class — this is sooo interesting!
Quote from above: ” The students had a field day with this one, talking about how it’s simply impossible to be completely altruistic.
This is the crux of it. The question that this statement begs is… why? And, the rational answer leads to a rejection of altruism in favor of rational selfishness (key word rational) - rational self-interest.
I’m going to add you to my feedreader for awhile and see where this leads.
I’m very impressed with the enthusiasm that this seems to be generating with your students, as I’m certain you are. There can be no better feeling, as a teacher, than to see your students engaged, to see the mental switch in the “on’ position.
Good work!
-Dan
(a life long hero worshipper)
Thanks for the add, Dan. Hope this leads somewhere productive, and if you have any suggestions as to how best to discuss Rand in the classroom, I’m all ears.
Great post! Thanks for posting the slide show. This kind of development of thought about the individual’s place in society seems like it really should the the underlying purpose of all education. I love that this lesson brought together all different students: shows that when they’re truly engaged and challenged, respect flows forth naturally, right?
You replied to my comment, in part… “and if you have any suggestions as to how best to discuss Rand in the classroom, I’m all ears.”
I would not presume that I am capable of such an important task… and teaching young minds is crucial. I’ve studied Ayn Rand and her philosophy of Objectivism all my adult life. I align completely with her philosophically.
There is someone I know to be perfectly qualified, and whom I admire and am constantly amazed by, that perhaps you may not be familiar with… Lisa VanDamme of VanDamme Academy http://www.vandammeacademy.com/
They school K through 8th out in Laguna Hills, Cal.
Check them out if you’ve not heard of them. Their approach is right out of Anthem (the parts that made me hear cathedral bells, grande choirs, and made me look up - expecting to see very high , magnificent ceilings.
Their students are motivated, invigorated, eager to learn, and thursting for knowledge (with little home work, I might add).
Perhaps they’ll may impress you too.
My best, Dan
You replied to my comment, in part… “and if you have any suggestions as to how best to discuss Rand in the classroom, I’m all ears.”
I would not presume that I am capable of such an important task… and teaching young minds is crucial. I’ve studied Ayn Rand and her philosophy of Objectivism all my adult life. I align completely with her philosophically.
There is someone I know to be perfectly qualified, and whom I admire and am constantly amazed by, that perhaps you may not be familiar with… Lisa VanDamme of VanDamme Academy http://www.vandammeacademy.com/
They school K through 8th out in Laguna Hills, Cal.
Check them out if you’ve not heard of them. Their approach is right out of Anthem (the parts that made me hear cathedral bells, grande choirs, and made me look up - expecting to see very high , magnificent ceilings.
Their students are motivated, invigorated, eager to learn, and thursting for knowledge (with little home work, I might add).
Perhaps they’ll impress you too.
My best, Dan
Sorry, I double posted! I was attempting to correct an error in sentence structure and I wouldn’t want that in a comment to a teacher. No Gold Star for Dan.
Thanks, Dan! I’ll check out the VanDamme Academy tonight.
I guess what I meant by asking: …If you have any suggestions as to how best to discuss Rand in the classroom… was: If you have any suggestions as to how study Objectivism in the classroom, I’m all ears.
I think I understand some of the basic ideas in Objectivism — and I realize that the Ayn Rand Institute (ARI) gave me free copies of Anthem in order to promote Objectivism in the classroom — but I’m still seeking a boiled down version of Objectivism to supplement our reading of Anthem.
(I’d rather not teach a philosophy without understanding it.)
Any suggestions there?
How does it go? Seek and ye shall find?
Sorry about so many comments presented “rapid fire”, but I wanted to relay this to you.
Lisa VanDamme has two pertinent and timely posts at Principles in Practice (http://theobjectivestandard.com/blog/), The Blog of The Objective Standard. One titled, Pedagogically Correct (http://theobjectivestandard.com/blog/2007/01/pedagogically-correct.asp) and one titled, The Imperative of Lecturing (http://theobjectivestandard.com/blog/#The%20Imperative%20of%20Lecturing).
More relevant to your seeking a short summary of Objectivism, go to Introducing Objectivism at ARI (http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_intro)
There is also a short biography of Ayn Rand at ARI’s website (http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_ayn_rand_aynrand_biography)
I’ll try and leave you alone for awhile, I don’t wish to be a pest. I’m afraid your, and your students enthusiasm has infected me…
You’re not a pest at all, and you’re right — the students’ enthusiasm is infectious.
Thanks for the links, and I’ll see what I can thoughtfully bring into the classroom.
You’re most welcome. Actually the pleasure is all mine.
It’s wonderful to see concrete evidence of my contributions to ARI at work.
I’ll stay tuned in… I’m the one at the desk in the back, wearing the grin.
As a philosophy professor who is head of The Ayn Rand Society, a professional society affiliated with the American Philosophical Association, I’m delighted to see teachers and students so enthusiastic about the study and discussion of Rand’s wonderful little novel, Anthem.
Some of you mentioned an interest in getting a better handle on Rand’s philosophy. For those interested in an overview, I hope it’s not out of place to recommend my little book on her life and thought, published in the Wadsworth Philosophers series in 2000. It’s called *On Ayn Rand*, and is available in paperback at most Barnes & Noble stores (and of course on line).
That the book has sold more copies across the life of the series than any other book in the series (which began in 1999 and now covers over 100 philosophers) says something about the growing interest in Rand’s thought. I can tell you that the interest has been great among college students for some time, and has significantly increased in the last ten years among professional philosophers. (See, all teachers can learn from their students!) So keep up the good work of training your students to think and aspire. That makes, a few years later, my own college classes much more rewarding and fun!
P.S. Those interested in reading more about *Anthem* should also have a look at the many excellent essays in the collection edited by Robert Mayhew, *Essays on Ayn Rand’s Anthem*. And I would be happy to answer by email any questions you have about the novel, which I have known and loved for many decades.
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